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cold war world. he set up -- he set up a defense structure that cold war started with harry truman and ended with ronald reagan. and now he's considered one of the near great presidents. >> i've always found it fascinating how in realtime we build up and tear down presidents. historians do the same thing. there was a time period 20 or 30 years when historians were giving truman not much credit and there was some revisionism in the late '90s. and we've seen it with grant, with polk, we'll see it with other presidents. >> right. and you look at george bush and 30, 40 years from now, obviously our pearl harbor is 9/11. and a lot of people, historians going to say america wasn't attacked again during the rest of his term over the next seven years. and painted in broad colors, broad strokes, he's going to be judged first and foremost for that. >> what's going on in the aftermath of boston. barack obama has to start worrying about his legacy and isn't going to be enough. does he want his legacy to be i failed? are there going to be any excuses big enough for history. he's got to figure o
in place post-9/11 work. now it may be too late to save everyone, but it is providing a effective defense. >> in terms of the sophistication to carry out a mail attack, if you will, honestly the details around the anthrax attack are still very much -- we don't have clarity even a decade later. >> still in dispute. >> it takes a fair amount of sophistication and access to material to be able to even care something like this out. >> and anthrax is harder than ricin. anthrax to tell le weaponize it, grind it up, getting it to a place where it's effective is a bit more different than risen. ricin extracted from castor beans, this is not particularly sophisticated, but it is effective. it has to be ingested or inhaled, about you it requires somebody to at least give it some thought to sit down and produce it. >> luke, you are obviously here and not on capitol hill, but in terms of the reaction we're seeing from congress, the fact -- look, there's still legislation that they're debating at the capitol hill and it's on high alert. the question is how much it affects the proceedings. and there's
. and that is the strongest line of defense. yes, we have a department of homeland security and the fbi, but people are first responders across the country and citizens are just vigilant and observant notifying them of something they see is suspicious. when you think about the freedom of this country, 320 million somewhat people living lives that people in the rest of the world only dream of, we should take pride in that freedom, take pride in that safety, in the steps that have been taken, but understand in the 21st century, there are always going to be these risks. >> former new york state governor, george pataki, it is always good to see you. >> thank you. nice being with you. >> we got an update this morning on those swrired in the attack. of the 176 hospitaled, 69 are still in six area hospitals, all of them within a mile and a half radius. a 9-year-old girl and a 10-year-old boy are among 19 victims still listed in critical condition. the "today" show spoke with the doctor and father of 11-year-old aaron haern. >> he's doing a lot better. he's been through a lot. he actually a couple of times yesterday
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